1 00:00:01,390 --> 00:00:05,270 If they'd have told me what was waiting there, I wouldn't have believed them. 2 00:00:06,370 --> 00:00:08,890 Every minute of the day, I always knew someone was watching us. 3 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:13,750 Look at them, you look at the gun and you think, shit, what have we done? I 4 00:00:13,750 --> 00:00:14,910 like I'd never seen one of them again. 5 00:00:15,490 --> 00:00:18,190 I just remember my heart pounding and thinking, what have we done now? 6 00:00:18,610 --> 00:00:20,670 That wasn't my country. I shouldn't have been there. 7 00:00:21,350 --> 00:00:22,730 There's blood everywhere. I'm in pause. 8 00:00:23,030 --> 00:00:27,070 What the... If you ain't willing to fight for your life, then you ain't 9 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:28,070 it. 10 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:46,060 My life in Leicester was dragging me down. 11 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:48,820 For a young lad at that age, it was boring. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,480 I'd just had enough of waking up, no opportunities, no money in my pocket. 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,100 I wanted to run away from everything. 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,580 I was working at my uncle's scrapyard. 15 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:00,360 I was just really depressed. 16 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:04,700 I wanted to, um, just get away from it all, really. 17 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:07,280 I wanted a challenge. 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:08,760 I wanted some adventure. 19 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 I wanted to go and see a bit of the world. 20 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:14,530 I'd known Paul about ten years before I got arrested. 21 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:19,110 This whole story began in the nightclub. 22 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:25,290 It's a nightclub. I'd been there loads of times. 23 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:27,930 We'd seen another friend who we'd not seen for a long time in there. 24 00:01:28,970 --> 00:01:30,670 Something stuck out about this guy. 25 00:01:31,810 --> 00:01:35,730 He caught my eye. I looked at him. Well, he looked like something special. 26 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:39,710 He looked like he'd been away. 27 00:01:39,970 --> 00:01:41,430 He looked healthy in his skin. 28 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:46,210 He looked well -off. Good clothes, good shoes, good jewellery. He had a lot of 29 00:01:46,210 --> 00:01:47,210 money. 30 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:50,330 He said he'd just come back from a hot country. 31 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:52,930 He told us, man, he's very like every young lad's dream. 32 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:55,250 Nice girl, speeches, armchair. 33 00:01:57,970 --> 00:02:01,290 He said, if you want to remember what I've got, there's the guy over there. 34 00:02:01,630 --> 00:02:03,350 I can put you on to him if you want. 35 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:13,610 Amy took us over to the Russian guard, Paul and Jim, interested in doing some 36 00:02:13,610 --> 00:02:18,270 business with us. You know, they're good people from the area, seeking customs. 37 00:02:20,610 --> 00:02:22,590 The Russian guy said, have you ever been abroad? 38 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:25,410 I'd never been abroad before in my life. 39 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:29,090 He said, would you get a package for me? And I said, what's that then? He said, 40 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:33,230 well, it's drugs, but I need you to be honest with me and say that you could do 41 00:02:33,230 --> 00:02:33,888 it for me. 42 00:02:33,890 --> 00:02:34,890 I have trust in you. 43 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:36,650 And we said, well, what's in it for us? 44 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,360 Listen, pay for the ticket, Venezuela. 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,100 We'll give you a four -star hotel and money while you're on holiday. 46 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:45,740 You'll meet someone. 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,920 They'll give you drugs. 48 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,380 Everyone will be paid off at the airport, so no one will be stopping 49 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:53,320 Listen, I'll give you $8 ,000 a year. 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,900 Hasn't anyone got caught? 51 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:59,620 No, we've got gateways. We can get through. 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 You know what we're doing. 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,280 It's an organisation. 54 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:06,340 But everything's paid off. There's no way you can get caught. 55 00:03:11,370 --> 00:03:15,410 It was offering me an opportunity to go and make something of myself, even 56 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:18,150 though it may be dodgy, but I've only got to do it once. 57 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:22,230 That's what we were saying, we'd only do it the one time. 58 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:24,550 Just the one hit, get the money in. 59 00:03:25,890 --> 00:03:27,850 That'd be it, the start of life, really, for us. 60 00:03:28,870 --> 00:03:30,270 I felt like I was risking nothing. 61 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:32,350 I'd got nothing. 62 00:03:32,490 --> 00:03:34,070 I've seen that as the head start in life. 63 00:03:34,350 --> 00:03:36,650 That extra money could have made things better for my family. 64 00:03:38,990 --> 00:03:39,990 I can do this. 65 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:42,450 That's what I thought, that's what I can get away with it. 66 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:46,190 We was gullible children, as far as I'm concerned, gullible kids. 67 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:52,290 This guy wanted to do it quick. 68 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:58,530 He wanted to get this moving as quick as possible. Within a week, everything was 69 00:03:58,530 --> 00:03:59,530 sorted. 70 00:04:01,130 --> 00:04:05,430 In the morning, there's a knock at the door, and it's Jamie. 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,940 Get your bags, lads, come on. We've got to go to the airport. 72 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,720 And we knew at that time, that's it. 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,900 We looked at each other and said, we've got to do it now. 74 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,460 In the car, I remember it being cold, raining, horrible on the motorway. 75 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:27,220 I just remember it raining on the dashboard, thinking, get out of this 76 00:04:27,220 --> 00:04:29,200 weather. I'm going to have a break from all this. 77 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:37,450 I was like, I'm the start of a holiday. 78 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:39,150 We're going to go and enjoy ourselves. 79 00:04:42,030 --> 00:04:45,050 And I just remember looking up at the sky, being in the clouds. 80 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:48,230 You see the sunlight beaming in through the window. 81 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:51,970 It was beautiful. 82 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:54,510 It was a crazy view. 83 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:59,710 As we touched down, my heart just got like, whoa, I'm in a different country 84 00:04:59,710 --> 00:05:00,710 now. 85 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:07,640 As soon as you walk out of the airport, the heat was ready. 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:15,480 I couldn't breathe because it was a changing climate and I wasn't ready for 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,860 All I can remember was just the heat was intense. 88 00:05:20,660 --> 00:05:21,900 It took my breath away. 89 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,380 Me and Paul stuck out. 90 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:32,420 They had toes sticking out of their shoes. It was just a different world 91 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:33,420 altogether. 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,800 There are the palm trees. They're there, mate. They're real. 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,980 I've never seen a palm tree in my life. I'm looking at these palm trees. Yeah. 94 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:44,720 It wasn't expensive until this guy had spent money. It was all professional. 95 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,180 Very nice place. Four star. 96 00:05:49,940 --> 00:05:51,100 Balcony. Everything. 97 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:57,300 The marble floors and the big pillars and the three, four, five floors 98 00:05:58,860 --> 00:06:01,400 And clear blue water at the swimming pool. 99 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,960 We felt comfortable with it because we thought, this man's put good money into 100 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,420 this. It's not a backstreet fit. It's still looking positive. 101 00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:14,420 I felt free. 102 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,560 I felt this is my life starting and this is what I make of it. 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,660 That's the first sense of freedom I ever got. 104 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,120 If they'd have told me what was waiting ahead, I wouldn't have believed them. 105 00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:37,260 Never in a million years I would not have believed what was waiting ahead. 106 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,160 First contact we got was the second day of being at the hotel. 107 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,620 We got the phone call that he was outside the hotel. 108 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:33,160 Paul was scared like I was. 109 00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:36,920 We knew we had to go ahead with it. 110 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:39,320 It was full steam ahead from then on. 111 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:55,640 We got into the back of the Jeep and, like, the Jeep just pulled off. 112 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,180 What you can see is, like, these dark things in the back of this van and these 113 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:08,660 guns. I'd never seen someone carrying a gun before. 114 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,900 You know, you just look at them and you look at the gun and you think, shit, 115 00:08:13,180 --> 00:08:14,760 this is serious. 116 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,080 This guy's lifting my arm up and I'm thinking, what's he doing? And he's, 117 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,360 trying to measure my... Inside measurement, there. 118 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:27,320 They said, we need to measure your chest width, hip width and the length of your 119 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,500 chest to the bottom of your stomach. 120 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:32,140 And we said, what's that for then? He said, well, you need bulletproof jackets 121 00:08:32,140 --> 00:08:33,200 to put stuff in. 122 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,100 And we said, well, won't you see that? 123 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:40,580 And he said, no, no, you're OK. You wear a shirt, you won't see it. 124 00:08:42,260 --> 00:08:45,220 They were saying that they're going to ring us soon, take us to their 125 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:47,620 put drugs on us and take us to the airport. 126 00:08:49,060 --> 00:08:50,760 And that's when we knew. 127 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:52,180 This is it. 128 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:54,780 That's the day we're going to be waiting for. 129 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,520 And that's when me and Paul actually come to the conclusion that we've just 130 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,360 to enjoy ourselves with what we've got now and get on with it. 131 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,680 Because they gave us a lot of spending money, it was $2 ,000 they gave us. We 132 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,000 were just always doing something. 133 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:20,750 I was just enjoying my holiday. 134 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:23,930 We did shopping. 135 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:26,250 We went on the beach, swimming in the sea. 136 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:28,690 Surfing. We went on boats. 137 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:35,330 We were just like part animals, right from the word go. 138 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:37,130 Drinking in the morning. 139 00:09:38,310 --> 00:09:43,570 Used to go down to the restaurants, ordering all this crab and exotic 140 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:46,450 We were sitting there with girls. 141 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:49,690 Being with the girls and clubbing. 142 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:58,810 It wasn't like a load of young lads spilling beer over each other and things 143 00:09:58,810 --> 00:09:59,810 like that. 144 00:10:02,210 --> 00:10:05,830 The women stood there with champagne glasses and nice sparkly dresses. 145 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:09,110 It was a different scene altogether. 146 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:15,690 Wherever we went, we were whistled at and shouted at and loved by everyone. 147 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:17,880 Everyone was like, well, film stars. 148 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,060 We often thought about getting out of the deal, but we weren't brave enough to 149 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:28,400 do that. We knew we couldn't just get out of it without anyone having to pay 150 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,400 what we'd already started. 151 00:10:37,020 --> 00:10:39,560 We was offered cocaine by a Dutch guy, Jimmy. 152 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:42,380 I'd smoked marijuana before, but never cocaine. 153 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,600 I've never tried cocaine before. 154 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:46,650 Didn't even know how much to take of this stuff. 155 00:10:46,970 --> 00:10:48,930 You know, I just started going mad on it. 156 00:10:58,990 --> 00:11:02,470 You just cut it up and cut it up and make it more lines and more lines. 157 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:07,870 And I'm just... I've just mustered up too much. 158 00:11:12,650 --> 00:11:14,870 I could feel it racing and everything was just going black. 159 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:17,730 He started having a seizure where his heart was pumping really fast. 160 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:21,550 He couldn't breathe and he was sweating and going white. 161 00:11:22,850 --> 00:11:26,330 I was slapping him and trying to wake him up. And I could see again and I get 162 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:27,330 blurred vision. 163 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:30,610 Splashing water and, come on, Paul, what's up? 164 00:11:31,270 --> 00:11:35,190 I could feel my chest tightening and I started to panic. I thought I was going 165 00:11:35,190 --> 00:11:36,190 to die. 166 00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:40,230 It scared me. I thought I was going to lose him. 167 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:42,520 In the end, I thought, that's it, I've got to get you down to the hospital. 168 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,920 It's, like, really, really hot. 169 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,720 My head is now pounding. 170 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:49,640 I could feel my heartbeat in my head. 171 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,640 I just picked him up and threw him in the back of the taxi. 172 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:56,320 Told the taxi driver, get to an hospital. 173 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,180 God, I'm going to die, I'm going to die. Where's this shit? Why am I talking? 174 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:03,400 I thought he was going to die. 175 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,319 I'm going to die. 176 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,440 I'm panicking, I'm panicking. 177 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:09,590 And I carried him into the hospital and got a doctor to come. 178 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:13,270 They gave me an injection to calm me down. 179 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:17,690 I'm in this hospital thinking, shit, what have I done? 180 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:29,470 We slowed the holiday right down after that attack. It just made me think, no, 181 00:12:29,470 --> 00:12:31,550 don't want to be doing this, because it's nearly killed my friend. 182 00:12:33,130 --> 00:12:36,210 I never thought that if I brought this drug into the country that I could be 183 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:39,470 killing people or that I could be causing any damage to any families or 184 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:40,470 anything. 185 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:51,170 It was like a countdown, you know. 186 00:12:52,290 --> 00:12:54,490 God, it's happening now, it's happening. 187 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:57,230 I just remember being in the hotel. 188 00:12:57,790 --> 00:13:02,030 You can hear life on the street, but inside you know. 189 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,080 You're going to be doing something dangerous. 190 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:14,960 I got myself into something that I couldn't get myself out of and I started 191 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,380 regret every moment of it. 192 00:13:17,220 --> 00:13:23,160 I started to reminisce back to what 193 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,920 I'd left behind. 194 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:27,040 Maybe it weren't so bad in the first place. 195 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:28,860 I spoke to my mother. 196 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:32,220 I felt like a little boy. 197 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:33,760 I felt like I was trapped. 198 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:39,080 You've got to see it for yourself. 199 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:41,040 No -one's going to help you here. 200 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,920 You've got to do it. 201 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,840 The night before, it was just me and Paul. We stayed in. 202 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:53,900 We was tossing and turning most of the night. 203 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,600 I was sweating. 204 00:13:59,670 --> 00:14:02,470 Restlessness, couldn't get to sleep, thinking, God, what have I done? 205 00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:06,610 I've got to do it now, there's no looking back, this is it. And when I did 206 00:14:06,610 --> 00:14:09,990 finally go to sleep, it was only for like a couple of hours and I was awake 207 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:10,990 again. 208 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:23,150 I was told to meet them outside. 209 00:14:25,810 --> 00:14:27,050 We booked out the hotel. 210 00:14:28,170 --> 00:14:29,210 And, yeah, there they were. 211 00:14:34,930 --> 00:14:38,730 I just remember leaving the beach behind and driving back to Caracas. 212 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:46,570 It was, like, hectic everywhere. 213 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:51,050 In the mountains, you can see these shanty houses. 214 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:55,270 It was just horrendous. I'd not seen that in my life, and I thought, Christ. 215 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,720 I felt like I'd entered a third -world country that wasn't my country. 216 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,100 I shouldn't have been there. 217 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,020 They took us to this apartment, and the apartment just looked dingy. 218 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Like nothing that they expected. 219 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:23,520 I remember them eating and thinking, you know, what are you eating? 220 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,540 The glamour associated with pop stars. 221 00:15:28,270 --> 00:15:29,490 You associate that with cocaine. 222 00:15:29,810 --> 00:15:32,770 Then you look in the apartment, there was no glamour there. 223 00:15:33,210 --> 00:15:37,170 It was the most scariest part of my life that I've ever experienced. 224 00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:43,530 I didn't understand what they were talking about. I didn't understand what 225 00:15:43,530 --> 00:15:46,770 had in mind. I didn't understand what their next moves were. 226 00:15:47,630 --> 00:15:49,210 We were virtually puppets. 227 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:54,330 There's no way you could ever argue with them kind of people. 228 00:15:57,580 --> 00:15:58,620 Just got to do what they say. 229 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,980 Unless you wanted that bullet in your head, you couldn't do anything. 230 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:06,540 I was just there to do what I got to do and then go. 231 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:12,100 Come away to get out of the apartment, I just remember feeling like, shit, I've 232 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,100 got to do it. 233 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:20,520 Two guys called me into the room and I stood there and I had to take my shirt 234 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,520 off. 235 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,200 He produced a vest. I just remember it being really, really heavy, and when he 236 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,580 put it on my back, it was like... And I stood with my arms out, and they put the 237 00:16:32,580 --> 00:16:35,840 jacket on me, and I felt the weight pull on my shoulders. 238 00:16:36,380 --> 00:16:40,420 I knew there was far more in the jacket than what the Russian guy had sent us to 239 00:16:40,420 --> 00:16:41,420 collect. 240 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,060 They pulled the cords up the top here and sewn the shoulders, and they made it 241 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:50,400 so it was tight around your stomach. 242 00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:52,740 There was no way that I could have took this vest off myself. 243 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,600 I remember thinking, this is where you come to get kitted up. 244 00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:00,660 I remember thinking, people have been here before me. 245 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:04,780 But I knew now I was going to pay for myself. 246 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,700 I just looked at myself in the mirror and I thought to myself, God, what have 247 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:11,700 got myself into? 248 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,960 But it's already on me now. They've sewed it up to pay for my holiday, to 249 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:17,960 for everything else. 250 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,280 It's just like walking into a brick wall. 251 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,900 There's no... You're just one way forward now. There is no turning back. 252 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:26,900 it. You're there. 253 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:30,540 We waited till the lady gave the nod. 254 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:32,020 You OK? 255 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:33,300 Go. 256 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,340 And then they walked us down to the taxi, paid the guy and walked off. And 257 00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:41,340 was the last time we've seen him. 258 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,460 It feels like a straitjacket to be honest with you. 259 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:52,710 You can't get out of it, and it's just strapped to your... You can feel the 260 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:56,010 packages digging into the side of your ribs, and you just want to get it off 261 00:17:56,010 --> 00:17:57,010 as fast as you can. 262 00:17:57,970 --> 00:18:02,570 I remember Jim just turned around and said to me, I was scared that people 263 00:18:02,570 --> 00:18:05,950 smell it on us. I was scared that people were watching us as we went to the 264 00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:07,630 airport. I was paranoid completely. 265 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:12,710 We stopped talking because we didn't know if the cab driver was in on it. 266 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:21,120 If this taxi driver's involved and we do make a wise move, we will get shot. 267 00:18:23,660 --> 00:18:27,160 You get outside the airport and you just see all the police around you and all 268 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,620 the National Guard in your feet. 269 00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:29,820 Shit. 270 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,180 I was scared, but I couldn't show that I was scared, so I was trying to hide it. 271 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:41,320 I just remember my heart pounding and just feeling scared, thinking, what am I 272 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,320 going to do now? 273 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:47,290 We walked to the main entrance to the airport. 274 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:53,010 I remember I wanted to stay well away from as many police as I could. 275 00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:58,470 Felt like the jackets were obvious, not to see but to feel. 276 00:18:58,670 --> 00:19:01,150 If you bumped into someone, you'd know that there's something there. 277 00:19:02,790 --> 00:19:05,590 I'd been stood in the queue for about 10, 15 minutes. 278 00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:09,130 This guy come up to us, and he's coming, like, quite close to me, this guy, and 279 00:19:09,130 --> 00:19:12,030 I'm thinking, I don't want him to come close to me, because if he touches this, 280 00:19:12,130 --> 00:19:14,350 he's going to know straight away what's on me, and that's it. 281 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:16,020 Game's over. 282 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:19,760 He's like, come on, I'll give you an hand. And I've, like, shouted at the 283 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:22,280 no, I've told you, I'm OK, thank you. 284 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:25,140 He's like, OK then, OK then, left us. 285 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,300 Jim's, like, looked at me, he didn't need that. 286 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,620 I've turned round to go through the immigration and I can remember seeing 287 00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:36,480 guy standing there with a shirt and tie. 288 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,100 I just remember thinking, once I'm past him, I've done it. 289 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:42,740 I've had my money. 290 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,780 The corner of my eye, I can see the card at the side of him, and there's this 291 00:19:46,780 --> 00:19:47,860 dog there. 292 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,660 My heart starts racing, trying not to draw attention, looking down. I can see 293 00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:58,240 this dog out the corner of my eye. I'm looking, I'm thinking, God, this is it 294 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,240 now. 295 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:07,340 The Lord had reassured me that the airport's paid off. You'll be all right, 296 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:08,380 don't worry. 297 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:11,200 Now I'm going to see for myself. 298 00:20:13,770 --> 00:20:15,150 Have they paid it off or haven't they? 299 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:22,210 The dogs were just like, not even interested in me. I'm thinking, well, I 300 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:23,370 couldn't have sniffed this on me. 301 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:26,470 This is when I was convinced, yeah, these people have been paid off. 302 00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:28,330 The bloke was speaking to you like he knew me. 303 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:32,610 Literally speaking to me, you're all right, my friend. Yeah, yeah, no 304 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:33,730 I'm all right. 305 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:38,030 That's peace. That was easy. 306 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:40,070 Went sort of straight through. 307 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,800 I sat down thinking, I've done it. 308 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:54,780 I thought I've got through the gateway. 309 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,380 And I'm sitting there looking at Paul thinking, yeah, we've done it, mate. 310 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,760 We've done it. 311 00:21:00,860 --> 00:21:01,860 That's it. 312 00:21:04,860 --> 00:21:08,100 I was that confident and I just fell asleep, just dozed off on Jim's 313 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,840 I just sat there waiting. 314 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:20,450 And you don't want to be sitting there waiting. You just want to get on your 315 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:22,210 plane and get over and done with. 316 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:25,150 And that's when paranoia kicked in. 317 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:31,330 We're just sitting there normally. 318 00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:34,050 Everyone's looking at me and Paul. 319 00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:39,490 There's two men, and they're looking funny at us. I thought they knew 320 00:21:39,490 --> 00:21:41,770 away that we had stuff on us. 321 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Paul fell asleep and landed on my shoulder, like, and I pushed him to say, 322 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,040 people don't look right. 323 00:21:51,860 --> 00:21:55,300 He's getting more and more agitated, more and more. No, no, no, no, I don't 324 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:56,960 it, I don't like it. I'm going, keep your mouth shut. 325 00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,880 Calm down, chill out. 326 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:01,640 He wasn't paying attention to himself, me. 327 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,800 I must have been killing myself up there then, looking. 328 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:09,600 I knew they was looking at me. 329 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,160 I thought, come on, let's go and throw this stuff away. Come on, let's go to 330 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,160 toilet and ditch it. 331 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:17,040 I couldn't just go to the toilet and drop that off. 332 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:19,260 It just sewed on me anyway. How am I going to get that off? 333 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:22,620 You can see I'm getting agitated and it's making me feel paranoid as well 334 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,180 I'm getting more nervous and we're just sitting there like thinking, shit, shit, 335 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,840 they're looking at us, they're looking at us. 336 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,160 They shout over the loudspeaker, would you please board such and such a flight 337 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,700 bound for England? 338 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:43,460 Turned down the tunnel, see these people in front of me. 339 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:48,040 I just remember, like, looking a bit further past, and then there's these two 340 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,720 guys that had been looking at us. 341 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:53,120 There's Tyrone, says, just look to your right, and went, shit. 342 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,520 The tunnel just seemed like it was getting longer and longer. 343 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,800 I just focused on getting past that man. 344 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,960 Without him searching me. 345 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:10,440 Just get on that plane and get past him. 346 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:13,020 He was virtually staring at us to go to him. 347 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:15,310 That's how it felt. 348 00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:17,550 Like he knew you had the stuff. 349 00:23:22,270 --> 00:23:23,610 We got right next to the door. 350 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:28,890 He told me to lift my arms, I lifted my arms like this, and he patted me on the 351 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:33,910 side. And that's when I thought to myself, shit, and this guy just looked 352 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:34,910 and he just shook his head. 353 00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:37,150 And I thought, no way. 354 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:41,690 The world has come tumbling down, I thought. 355 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:44,740 What have I always gone and done? 356 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:11,320 They just took me and Jim to this really small room. 357 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:14,550 They were being loud and threatening. 358 00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:18,010 It was quite scary to not know what they're saying. 359 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:19,890 You just didn't know what was going on. 360 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:23,610 That's when you started to think, we're not getting out of here now, are we? 361 00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:29,550 I still got this bulletproof vest on, man. I'm thinking, just please get this 362 00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:30,429 off me now. 363 00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:31,430 I've had enough. 364 00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:35,470 The guy's come up behind me, he's got his pen and knife, he's trying to get it 365 00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:36,470 off. 366 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:41,770 I just remember taking this jacket off and I just remember hearing the foot 367 00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,370 resist. Jacket hit the table. 368 00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:50,070 That's when I knew there was a lot of cocaine in there. 369 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:55,570 As they pulled them apart, I was scared. 370 00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:59,270 I was like, what have I done? 371 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:07,610 I just remember thinking, my world, it had come to an end. 372 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:10,790 I ain't never going to get out of this shit. This is it now. 373 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:13,810 Felt a deep loss. 374 00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:17,350 I felt like I wouldn't ever get out of the country ever again. I'd never see my 375 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,350 mum and dad again. 376 00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:22,030 And I've... That's it, I blew it. 377 00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:25,130 We were both terrified at that time. 378 00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:27,750 Both absolutely terrified. We thought we were going to die. 379 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:35,190 They flagged a taxi down outside the airport and we got in the taxi. 380 00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:37,690 It just seems surreal. 381 00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:40,450 We were all that jokes confiscated off of Zoom. 382 00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:44,130 Just these two guys are just going to put us in a taxi and just take us, like, 383 00:25:44,170 --> 00:25:45,170 in the middle of nowhere. 384 00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:53,210 When I pulled up outside the Vega police station and I just looked up at this 385 00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:58,730 big building, five storeys, and every window's got bars on it, well, no -one's 386 00:25:58,730 --> 00:26:00,770 going to take me to a prison, surely, straight away. 387 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:07,250 I feared for my life when we arrived because we could hear a load of people 388 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:08,390 shouting in the prison. 389 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,320 You could hear knives hitting bars. 390 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:12,240 You could just hear that there was uproar going on. 391 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,920 When the police was questioned, they was looking as much as to say, you boys are 392 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,160 going to meet your nightmare in a minute. 393 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,460 Up those stairs is your nightmare. 394 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:26,260 We walked up the stairs, police station smelled, you know, all the walls 395 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:27,260 smelled. 396 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,640 We seen three cages, and they're all hanging out of the cages, going, hey, 397 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,560 guy, green guy, and all this, and we're like, whoa. 398 00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:39,700 I had a couple of fingers missing, teeth in a mess. 399 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920 So I just thought, like, something out of this world. 400 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:47,380 They're, like, pulling on his jeans straight away, pulling on his clothes. 401 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:49,520 I've got five people standing around with knives. 402 00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:53,140 And this guy came and he went, you give them your jacket and your shoes, as 403 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:54,140 they'll kill you. 404 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:18,310 I just wanted to burst out crying, but I couldn't. I couldn't cry. I didn't want 405 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:22,550 them to see me cry. I thought, if I let them see me cry, that's it from day one. 406 00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:24,390 I've got to put a face on now. 407 00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:31,110 7 ,000 miles away from home. 408 00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:32,970 My mum's not there to help me. 409 00:27:59,690 --> 00:28:03,170 The guards came to us and it was the first bit of light we'd seen before they 410 00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:05,690 opened the door and his eyes stopped. 411 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:07,810 That's how bad it was. 412 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:13,130 They just took us to this room. 413 00:28:14,350 --> 00:28:16,670 The next thing you know, there's a slight thunker everywhere. 414 00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:21,610 James Miles and Paul Loseby were arrested at Caracas Airport with 22 415 00:28:21,610 --> 00:28:23,270 cocaine strapped to their chests. 416 00:28:23,610 --> 00:28:27,110 I've looked at Jim and I just don't know where to put my face and I'm thinking, 417 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:28,150 my mum's going to see this. 418 00:28:28,719 --> 00:28:32,400 Arrested as they were about to board a flight to London. Their explanation is 419 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,420 that drugs barons forced them into it. This man put a gun to our head. Mum was 420 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:38,340 going to shoot me. We haven't done nothing. 421 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,460 All I'm here for is a holiday. 422 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:48,700 All my family, everybody I know, they're going to see this. 423 00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:50,400 And I can't do nothing about it. 424 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,460 I got to speak to my parents a week and a half after being captured at the 425 00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:58,460 airport. 426 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:04,040 My mum, she said that she loves being whatever I do, it don't matter, I'll 427 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,040 always be her son. 428 00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,500 And that was the first time I cried after I spoke to my mum. 429 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:09,700 I come back and cried. 430 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,400 I said to my mum, sorry, they know what I've done. 431 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,860 They know what I've done there. 432 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:25,100 I don't know why I left them, I don't know why I left my mum, I don't know why 433 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:25,779 left that. 434 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:27,240 I'm really sorry for what I was doing. 435 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,980 I don't think I could have apologised. I couldn't have found words to say 436 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:32,980 anything. I don't know. 437 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,860 Just, sorry. 438 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,980 There's an atmosphere in the place, and you can cut that atmosphere with a 439 00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:53,980 knife. 440 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:56,740 When you look at their eyes, they've got no... 441 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:58,770 No sense of nothing behind him. 442 00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:00,890 I heard someone getting raped. 443 00:30:01,310 --> 00:30:02,790 I heard somebody getting raped. 444 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:07,630 Knowing that you can't do nothing for him and he can't do nothing for himself. 445 00:30:08,170 --> 00:30:11,350 I don't know, cos he's probably got a gun in the back of his head or in his 446 00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:12,910 mouth. That was the worst. 447 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:15,590 For me and Paul. 448 00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:19,050 Cos we could hear it, but we couldn't do anything about it. 449 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:24,150 That was bad. 450 00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:26,590 You are. 451 00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:27,730 You wait to end. 452 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:30,150 There's nothing you can do. 453 00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:33,490 There's someone coming through that door any time of night. 454 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:39,090 You never know if there's going to be armed or not armed or what frame of mind 455 00:30:39,090 --> 00:30:40,090 there is going to be in. 456 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:53,050 Today, in a dramatic and astonishing turn of events, James and Paul were 457 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:56,150 sentenced to four years for possession of drugs. 458 00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:57,460 but not trafficking. 459 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,320 After being in La Vega for a year and a half, I knew we wasn't getting out and I 460 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,120 knew that no -one could do anything, not even lawyers, and when he wasn't doing 461 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720 anything, we were stopped. 462 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:22,300 We managed to get a camera on for Jim's family and basically we just bribed the 463 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,360 policeman to take the camera in there. 464 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,380 I see that that person in that video needs help. 465 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:36,740 To look at myself like that and see myself in that state, that's not me. 466 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,680 It's like a possession. 467 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,440 You see the dark side of yourself. 468 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,000 At times you just fade off into that just to get your body things in. It was 469 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,900 like, I don't think I'll ever see my mum and dad again. 470 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,800 The English government thought it was protecting us, but me and Paul knew we 471 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,960 more at danger there than we were at maximum security prison. 472 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,900 I'd been warned about it that many times, oh, you don't want to go to the 473 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:23,160 prisons. They kill each other and you can buy grenades in there and you can 474 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,160 guns. 475 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,580 You don't know whether to believe it when you're in a police station, but yet 476 00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:31,080 felt like I was rotting away in there. 477 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:37,220 I'd just rather go down fighting and in danger than just, like, rotting away in 478 00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:38,790 this. Little place. 479 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:55,490 He took us out of the police station, threw us in the back of his National 480 00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:56,490 jeep. 481 00:32:57,610 --> 00:33:01,930 You can just see, like a perimeter, defensive guards standing in these 482 00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:05,530 You think, God, is that something you've seen off a film? 483 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:11,870 Guards are there to guard the perimeter. The prisoners themselves run the 484 00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:12,870 prison. 485 00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:18,550 Walking in there, seeing the people disfigured, limbs missing, and after 486 00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:23,190 seeing all the guns and all the grenades that went with it, it was ten times 487 00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:25,370 worse than any hell. 488 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:29,910 I've seen somebody that's been in the police station we've met. He said, 489 00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:32,570 remember what it was like in the police station? I said, yeah. He said, well, 490 00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:33,570 get out of your head. 491 00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:37,070 Because it ain't like it here, mate. It says here, you fought for your life. If 492 00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:40,230 you ain't willing to fight for your life, then you ain't leaving it. This is 493 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:41,230 hell. 494 00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:45,590 It was very scary because it was a whole big scale of everything. 495 00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:48,090 And we were only two English lads in there. 496 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,659 It was the first week of his being there. 497 00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:34,179 Our cellmate said, have you ever seen anyone die? 498 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,380 We said, no. He said, someone's going to today. 499 00:34:37,739 --> 00:34:42,199 I stood there, chatting away, waiting for this food. 500 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,520 As soon as bang. 501 00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:50,900 Like a ringing in me ear. 502 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,540 I just turned around and just looked at this guy and he's just like gone on the 503 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:57,500 floor. He's been shot in the head and all his brain's hanging out. There's 504 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:58,500 everywhere. 505 00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:00,460 And me and Paul just walked there. 506 00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:03,078 Couldn't believe it. 507 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680 I'd been there two days and someone's just been shot in front of me already. 508 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,000 brain's hanging out all over the floor. 509 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,980 And after that, it was just a normal thing to be doing in prison for them. 510 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,360 Three people a week, four people a week, five people a week. 511 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,180 Just getting killed. 512 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,800 It's all about power, possession. 513 00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:26,700 Who's got the most drugs? 514 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:28,620 Who's got the most armour? 515 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,860 Who's got the most bullets? Who's got the most grenades? 516 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:37,800 Laugh doesn't mean nothing. It means a pound at the bullet cost. 517 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,600 And the man who's got the guts to pull the trigger. 518 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:45,100 You feel like you're ducking and diving for your laugh every day. 519 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,360 You'd lay there at night and think, well, tomorrow, will I get through 520 00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,220 Or will I get through this week? 521 00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:57,230 Or will I see my mum and dad again? 522 00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:09,370 You're now living their society and their world, their rules and their laws 523 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:10,670 where there is no morals. 524 00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:12,050 Morals don't exist. 525 00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:18,290 You just get to the stage where you just become one of them and you just live 526 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:23,170 like them, you live with them, you do everything that they do just to survive. 527 00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:41,590 I'd been there for four years. One day the embassy came to give us some money 528 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:43,070 and letters from his family. 529 00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:46,930 She comes round to let people know how the sentences and the cases are getting 530 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:51,230 on and that me and Jim's names were the first to be called out. We thought it 531 00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:53,450 was coming up for a benefit, ready to go free. 532 00:36:57,830 --> 00:37:01,030 Jackie from the embassy, she was there and she said, the prosecutor, she's not 533 00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:02,030 happy with your appeal. 534 00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:04,930 It looks like you're looking at a ten -year sentence. 535 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:10,780 And me and Paul were just devastated. 536 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,280 You just feel like exploding. 537 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,580 Literally like kicking the gate straight off. 538 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,540 I just wanted to shoot every human in that room. 539 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,800 I just thought, I'm never getting out of this hellhole. 540 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,220 That was the breaking point. I thought, the English embassy just gave me 10 541 00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:31,740 years. We'll sod the English, I'll be Venezuela. 542 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:39,790 I might as well say I'm Venezuelan now. 543 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:43,630 I know I act like a Venezuelan. I live like a Venezuelan. 544 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:50,550 Three lads just walked up to me with a gun and said, do you want to hang around 545 00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:53,090 with us? And I said, what do you do? They said, we play Russian roulette with 546 00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:55,210 the guns and we shoot people and we'll just mess about. 547 00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:59,770 I said, all right, come on then, let's go and do it. And one day they gave me 548 00:37:59,770 --> 00:38:04,470 this 9mm and I walked around the prison with it to show it everyone. 549 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:08,020 I'll show everyone that I've got a gun and that I want to use it. 550 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,840 That's the life I want to live. 551 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,200 You see him, he wants to cry, but he can't. 552 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:38,080 What's the matter? I'm going to show them. 553 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,140 You're going to show them, kid. I'm going to show them you ain't messing 554 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:42,140 with me. I've had enough. 555 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,180 If anybody's going to come and try and mess around, I'm going to show them 556 00:38:48,180 --> 00:38:49,180 they're going to get it. 557 00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:59,340 And he just became one of them, playing mushroom roulette with guns. 558 00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:02,540 I mean, what kind of normal person does things like that? 559 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,320 The lads wanted to play Russian roulette one day. They just said, have you ever 560 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,860 played it? I said, not really, no. 561 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:15,360 So the lads span it. 562 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,040 And I've gone, click. 563 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,280 Boy, it's tempting. 564 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,880 And he's done his turn. 565 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:26,460 Third man's done his. 566 00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:30,320 And there was one lad who weren't even in the gang. 567 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:33,100 And one of the guys walked up to him and went like that. 568 00:39:39,050 --> 00:39:40,210 And they were lucky it didn't go off. 569 00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:42,030 But the guy was like, whoa. 570 00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:53,150 To see a friend do something like that and play around with their own life, I 571 00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:56,350 knew that he must have been at some serious stage. 572 00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:58,550 As if to say, well, you know what? 573 00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:59,910 Couldn't really give a fuck. 574 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:04,230 I rang my mum and dad up and said, I don't ever want to see you ever again. 575 00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:07,870 Imagine how that must have been for them. 576 00:40:17,379 --> 00:40:18,379 No self -esteem. 577 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,160 Gone. 578 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:23,140 No more need to go on in life. 579 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,440 Wanted to end it. 580 00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:29,920 What are you doing? What am I going to do if you're not here with me? 581 00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:32,500 What am I going to do if you go away? 582 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:40,280 I just wanted to see my mum and dad and my family so bad that I weren't going to 583 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,300 be willing to be taking my own life. 584 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:50,970 I would have done anything in my means to get back home and see my family and 585 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:51,970 friends. 586 00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:53,790 Anything. 587 00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:24,920 It was on Saturday, and we heard everyone shouting, here's the judge, 588 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,920 judge. 589 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,380 The judge had come into the actual prison to release prisoners from prison 590 00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:32,380 and then. 591 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,580 So we grabbed all the paperwork. 592 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,260 Me and Jim had just thought we'd try a look, so we just asked if we could see 593 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:39,260 this judge. 594 00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:45,040 He says, you've got all your credentials, you've got everything you 595 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,860 Yeah, we're going to let you go free. 596 00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:52,360 and me and Paul were just gobsmacked. 597 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,860 Then she says, right, you can go free, but you have to find a job and then go 598 00:41:56,860 --> 00:42:01,500 work every day. In the week, you have to go back to the prison every night up 599 00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:02,500 until 2007. 600 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,380 As soon as I was let free, I was thinking about the escape. 601 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,760 There was no way I was going to stay there after I'd just done five years. 602 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,160 I knew that I wasn't going to stay in that country any longer. 603 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,600 I couldn't wait to go. 604 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:22,950 In their law, it stated that anybody in their country that says a form of 605 00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:25,330 identification, my ID, was a passport. 606 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:30,350 As soon as the embassy gave us his passports back, we could see that we 607 00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:31,350 make the escape. 608 00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:32,650 We went together. 609 00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:35,310 That would be the craziest thing we could have done because we were coming 610 00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:36,169 the country together. 611 00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:38,750 So we both planned that we'd leave separate. 612 00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:43,390 So we arranged that Jim would go through the Venezuelan port and I'd go through 613 00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:44,390 to Colombia. 614 00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:48,470 It was the first time in four years that I'd been separated from Jim. 615 00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:51,070 It felt strange for my friends to go the other way. 616 00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:03,150 I got no money or nothing. I got a load of clothes off of a friend. I took the 617 00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:04,150 clothes and I sold them all. 618 00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:06,890 That's what I got my bus fare to Columbia with. 619 00:43:08,530 --> 00:43:11,430 Got on a coach to Columbia. 620 00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:14,930 That's it now. I'm leaving Venezuela for good. 621 00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:16,130 I ain't coming back. 622 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,600 I decided to go on the run for a week until my father came. He was going to 623 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,020 me money to buy a ticket so I could get out of the country. 624 00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:32,360 The flight got cancelled and he came the week after, so I had to stay on the run 625 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,660 for another week until my father came. 626 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,860 I stayed right underneath the station because they don't look where it's 627 00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:43,280 obvious. They were lucky for me and they couldn't find me. 628 00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:47,790 When I got to the Colombian border, I should have gone through the 629 00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:50,550 but I didn't want to bring any tension to myself. 630 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:53,410 Everyone's being checked. 631 00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:56,830 If they'd have caught me, they would have sent me back to prison for six 632 00:43:57,090 --> 00:44:00,230 That was the risk I took to get back to my country. 633 00:44:02,110 --> 00:44:05,950 God, I don't know if he didn't drive straight past, didn't even pull him 634 00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:08,630 didn't say nothing to him, didn't even... nothing. 635 00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:13,290 On the other side, I rang my mum. 636 00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:14,690 I said, look, I've done it, Mum. 637 00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:16,210 I'm a Columbia mum. 638 00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:20,370 I said, I need you to send me some money. 639 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:25,130 I met my dad at the airport when I collected money up in there. 640 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:29,890 My dad left that night and he says to me, just ring me in the morning and make 641 00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:31,230 sure you get a ticket to Columbia. 642 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:32,470 I said, I will. 643 00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:38,690 When I got to the Western Union in Columbia, it was something like £1 ,800 644 00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:39,690 mum would send over. 645 00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:43,690 And £1 ,800 in Colombian pesos is like... 646 00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:51,790 Wads. From there, direct to a travel agent. This is on the same day. 647 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:53,250 Flight to England, please. 648 00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:06,010 How far went to the airport? 649 00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:08,470 That was more terrifying than when I sat there with the drugs. 650 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,840 If I'd have been spotted by a policeman at the airport, I think I would have 651 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,620 tried to kill the policeman at the time or him kill me. 652 00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:20,980 Because there's no way I would have gone back to prison. 653 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,860 I thought, oh, my God, I've got to go through this again. 654 00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:34,080 And it's like, this airport is, like, five times as big and, like, it's 655 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,080 Colombia, it's Bogota. 656 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:38,700 Their immigration has got to be tight. 657 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:40,600 But some more courage up. 658 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,920 Went straight through the immigration, didn't even look at me, didn't even 659 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,920 batter an eyelid. 660 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,460 And I knew then, once I'd passed that immigration, I was sat down in that 661 00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:57,460 departure lounge. 662 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:58,439 It's over. 663 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,439 It's over. 664 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,440 I'm coming home. 665 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,940 I got off the plane in Columbia. 666 00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:08,400 I've walked down, and I'd just seen this hand that I recognised, and I thought, 667 00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:09,420 I know that hand. 668 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,780 And as I've turned my body around to see who it is, there's Paul sitting there, 669 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:16,380 and we've both looked at each other and gone, we've done it, mate, we're free, 670 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:17,620 we're going home. 671 00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:21,210 And we just hugged each other and said, yeah, we're going home. 672 00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:22,788 That's it. 673 00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:23,790 It's all over. 674 00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:27,190 And there it was, there was my light at the end of the tunnel. 675 00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:29,970 That plane waiting for me to stand on it and go home. 676 00:46:32,410 --> 00:46:36,150 Yeah, my nightmare is just finished. I'm going home to my mum. 677 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:46,230 I don't feel guilty anymore because I've come back. 678 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:49,350 I've been back in England six years now and I've made amends. 679 00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:52,710 And like everybody else, we all do wrong. 680 00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:55,970 Just try and make up for it and do better. 681 00:46:57,270 --> 00:47:00,610 Make your parents proud of you and the people that love you are proud of you. 682 00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:03,330 Because they're the ones that count at the end of the day. 683 00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:20,260 For me now, focus on my son and just give him the best in life. 684 00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:22,220 That's my future. 685 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,240 I want to be a person that's there for his son, works for his son, secures his 686 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:34,900 son. Not someone who's not there for his son, who's in prison, showing his son 687 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:35,900 the wrong sides. 688 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:38,560 I'm just there to get on with my life now. 689 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,460 Just... move forward. 690 00:47:44,830 --> 00:47:45,830 Everything forward. 691 00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:58,470 Those bloody vampires are 692 00:47:58,470 --> 00:48:02,850 everywhere. Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise star in Interview with the Vampire, next 693 00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:03,850 Five.